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justices agreed to hear arguments about proposition 8 and the defense of marriage act. proposition 8 is the 2008 ballot measure that made same-sex marriage illegal in the state of california. residents voted 52-48 to eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry. the 9th court of appeals struck down proposition 8 on the basis it stripped individuals of rights previously granted when same-sex marriages were permitted in the state. opponents of same-sex marriage appealed the ruling to the supreme court which will now review the decision. the court will also take up the defensive marriage act case which challenges a section of the law that defines marriage as between a man and a woman for the purposes of receiving federal benefits. this mean the highest court now has the opportunity to rule on whether gay americans have the same constitutional right to marry as hetero sexual americans. the court's decision to hear these cases comes as a series of election victories for same-sex marriage. last month washington, maine, maryland became the first states to approve same-sex
justices agreed to hear arguments about proposition 8 and the defense of marriage act. proposition 8 is the 2008 ballot measure that made same-sex marriage illegal in the state of california. residents voted 52-48 to eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry. the 9th court of appeals struck down proposition 8 on the basis it stripped individuals of rights previously granted when same-sex marriages were permitted in the state. opponents of same-sex marriage appealed the ruling to the...
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but the court also said it would hear a challenge to the defense of marriage act passed under president clinton that defined marriage between a man and woman for the purposes of federal law. the question is why now? why did the supreme court choose this moment? nine states and washington, d.c. all recognize same-sex marriage now. that doesn't seem like many, but it's happening quickly. three of those states people voted to legal marriage in november. first time ever done so. there's a big public opinion trend here. since '04, polls have been asking people should it be legal or illegal for gay couples to get married. in 2004, 59% of people said they thought it should be against the law. in 2012 it was almost the opposite. 53% favor making it legal. pew has been asking the question since 1996. when 65% of people were against same-sex marriage. by october of this year, 49% were for marriage equality while 40% opposed it. one more set of numbers. gallup released their polling this week. 53% of people polled support legalizing same-sex marriage. but look inside the poll. among young people 1
but the court also said it would hear a challenge to the defense of marriage act passed under president clinton that defined marriage between a man and woman for the purposes of federal law. the question is why now? why did the supreme court choose this moment? nine states and washington, d.c. all recognize same-sex marriage now. that doesn't seem like many, but it's happening quickly. three of those states people voted to legal marriage in november. first time ever done so. there's a big...
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we take itll up with he foundation for defense of democracy here next. stay with us. ♪ lou: breaking news. u.s. officials confirmed that the egyptian authorities have detained a man who has been described variously as, perhaps, an alleged ringleader of an egyptian terrorist network linked to the september 1th attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. the united states ambassador and three other americans were killed. also tonight, egyptian president urging national dialogue still, but moving forward with his referendum on an islamist back to constitution. the new york times bureau chief in cairo, david kirkpatrick insting th the muslim brotherhood s not, and i do ," not violent by nature and have come over the last couple of decades, you off me and mor into a moderate conservative but religious moderate regular old political frce. well, joining us now is jonathan chancellor, former counter-terrorism analyst, current vice president of research for the foundation for defense of democracy, and it is good to have you with us. your eaction to kirkpatrick's
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one is doma, defense of marriage act. this administration won't defend it in the courts. if that gets struck down, what does that say to cases where people have been allowed to marry in the same gender. what happens if doma gets struck down by the court, 5-4, whatever. >> the ridiculously named defense of marriage act would be gone. >> what would it mean to a person married? >> that would bemean couples married in those states would be recognized by the federal government. would mean we still have a lot of work to do and depending how they rule in the prop 8 case we still need other states to move forward with the right to marry. >> an honor to have you on and elizabeth, glad to have you back in a much bigger studio now. the republican establishment at war with his crazy wing, said they lost election because i ideologues pulled mitt romney too far to the right. wrong says the right ring, we lost because mitt romney wasn't right wing enough. the winner will determine whether the gop returns to the center or becomes a more fringy party. >>> two people get in the room. the p
one is doma, defense of marriage act. this administration won't defend it in the courts. if that gets struck down, what does that say to cases where people have been allowed to marry in the same gender. what happens if doma gets struck down by the court, 5-4, whatever. >> the ridiculously named defense of marriage act would be gone. >> what would it mean to a person married? >> that would bemean couples married in those states would be recognized by the federal government....
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we take it a up with the foundati for defense of democracy here next. democracy here next. stay with us. twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, buding blocks for the whheart of your portfolio.p. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. ♪ lou: breaking news. u.s. officials confirmed that the egyptian authorities have detained a man who has been described vaiously as, perhaps, an alleged ringleader of an egyptian terrorist network linked to the september 11th attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. the united states ambassador and three other aericans were killed. also tonight, egyptian president urging national dialogue still, but moving forward with his referendum on
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lou: is our shannon pointed out, taking on proposition 8 and the defense of marriage act. it looks like it might be a little broader than we might have expected. >> it could be, but they have narrowed a broad, potentially broad, decision before. you have two swing justices here. the chief justice and, you know, obviously, the other guy that everybody's watching, but i don't think you can predict this one. adam, a really well-respected legal scholars, thinks they would narrow it, and i suspect he's right. lou: going through a lot of trouble, creating controversy and hoopla for just a little thing. you know, it's the day of big issues and little results. >> you got to love it. when it comes to love and marriage, they have the urge to merge on the supreme court, merging them together. we love that. lou: very quickly, the last
lou: is our shannon pointed out, taking on proposition 8 and the defense of marriage act. it looks like it might be a little broader than we might have expected. >> it could be, but they have narrowed a broad, potentially broad, decision before. you have two swing justices here. the chief justice and, you know, obviously, the other guy that everybody's watching, but i don't think you can predict this one. adam, a really well-respected legal scholars, thinks they would narrow it, and i...
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as widely expected they agreed to take up a challenge to the federal defense of marriage act, which is the federal law that says the federal government cannot recognize same-sex marriages even in the states where they're legal. but and i think this is the surprising part the justices also aagreed to take up a challenge to california's proposition 8, which could either be a very narrow decision about california only or the justices could take up the basic question about whether states can deny same sex couples the ability to get married. these cases won't be argued until probably march, but i think it's very surprising. this is a huge action by the supreme court today wading fully into the issue of same-sex marriage. so it's going to mean that this will be an absolute blockbuster term. >> pete, can you talk a little bit about what it means to take two cases in this way at the same time? we know from the aca decision that justice roberts cares deeply about his legacy and the legacy of the court. how do we read that into this discussion? is he going to want to be part of a decision stripp
as widely expected they agreed to take up a challenge to the federal defense of marriage act, which is the federal law that says the federal government cannot recognize same-sex marriages even in the states where they're legal. but and i think this is the surprising part the justices also aagreed to take up a challenge to california's proposition 8, which could either be a very narrow decision about california only or the justices could take up the basic question about whether states can deny...
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one is doma, the defense of marriage act. this administration will not defend it in the courts. if that gets struck down, what does that say to cases around the country where people have been allowed to marry in the same gender? chad, on that. what happens it doma gets struck down by the court, 5-4 or whatever? >> the ridiculously named defense of marriage act would be gone obviously. >> what would it mean to a gay person who is married? >> that would mean that couples who are married in those states as well as the district of columbia, their marriages would be recognized by the federal government. now, it would mean we still have a lot of work to do, and depending on how they rule in the prop 8 case, we would still need other states to move forward with the right to marry. >> right. >> thank you. it's an honor to have you on and your organization. elizabeth birch, we are in a much bigger studio. >>> the republican establishment is at war with its crazy wing. they say they lost the election because ideologues pulled mitt romney foo far to the right. that sounds reasonable. wrong
one is doma, the defense of marriage act. this administration will not defend it in the courts. if that gets struck down, what does that say to cases around the country where people have been allowed to marry in the same gender? chad, on that. what happens it doma gets struck down by the court, 5-4 or whatever? >> the ridiculously named defense of marriage act would be gone obviously. >> what would it mean to a gay person who is married? >> that would mean that couples who are...
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and richard hermann, new york criminal defense lawyer joining us from las vegas. richard, the supreme court has choices of cases it could take here. it decided to take these two, doma and proposition 8. why do you think they took these and not others? >> you know, after this election, this issue is so ripe for the supreme court the jurisdictions are so split in their laws, many states recognizing same-sex marriage and performing same-sex marriages. some states not recognizing them. this is the perfect scenario for the supreme court to step in and ultimately make a ruling. there are over 1,000 cases, joe, in which federal laws are impacted by marital status. the time has come. it's ripe. prop 8 was on the doorstep for the supreme court. here we go. >> avery, we were trading e-mails a little bit a while ago. one of the questions i asked you was whether the supreme court essentially gave itself an emergency escape hatch with one of the cases it chose. can you talk about that? >> late yesterday, as you know, joe, the supreme court amended its grant of review when it s
and richard hermann, new york criminal defense lawyer joining us from las vegas. richard, the supreme court has choices of cases it could take here. it decided to take these two, doma and proposition 8. why do you think they took these and not others? >> you know, after this election, this issue is so ripe for the supreme court the jurisdictions are so split in their laws, many states recognizing same-sex marriage and performing same-sex marriages. some states not recognizing them. this...
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even a department of defense bill that ended up passing today 98-0. they still slow walked it every step of the way. >> so does john mccain help you? i mean does his comments give credence to the reform that you're having on this debate? >> well, certainly it does help us. i think senator rand's behavior and other's behavior does help us. i would love to see senator mccain join us. it's questionable whether he will at this point, but the reality is the public wants us to get something done, to work together. we know that a minority view needs to be protected in the senate. you shouldn't be able to block things for the sake of blocking progress in solving problems. >> it was very clear. mitch mcconnell wanted to make barack obama a one-term president. do you get a sense they are going to do that again? let's say ewe didn't make the changes. would it be a repeat of the last session of congress? >> i absolutely do. even though there are members that want to work across the aisle, we're having better conversations now. and i appreciate that. colleagues on
even a department of defense bill that ended up passing today 98-0. they still slow walked it every step of the way. >> so does john mccain help you? i mean does his comments give credence to the reform that you're having on this debate? >> well, certainly it does help us. i think senator rand's behavior and other's behavior does help us. i would love to see senator mccain join us. it's questionable whether he will at this point, but the reality is the public wants us to get...
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edie got a federal estate tax bill for $363,000 because the defense of marriage act requires the federal government to treat edie and thee as strangers. if thea had been tom, it would have been zero. several lower courts found doma unconstitution and it was just a matter of train before edie and the freight train that is the movement woot encounter anthony, aka anthony kennedy. when the supremes get down to assessing doma, we can expect the conservatives to defend doma and the liberals to strike it down. the comp significance of the majority will be determined by the votes of chief justice roberts who has shown he's willing to leave the conservatives if he feels the court's legacy is in peril and kenne kennedy. he wrote the constitution prohibits laws singling out a certain class of citizens for disfavored legal status. it appears doma will get tossed in the dust bin of history. the courts other gay rights case comes from california which gave gays the right to marry and then with proposition 8 took it away. taking away an existing right because of animus was prohibited by the court in a
edie got a federal estate tax bill for $363,000 because the defense of marriage act requires the federal government to treat edie and thee as strangers. if thea had been tom, it would have been zero. several lower courts found doma unconstitution and it was just a matter of train before edie and the freight train that is the movement woot encounter anthony, aka anthony kennedy. when the supremes get down to assessing doma, we can expect the conservatives to defend doma and the liberals to...
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most defense programs will be cut by about 10%. nondefense, discretionary spending, education, air travel safety, and food inspections would be cut about 8%. the cbo warns no deal could send the economy back into recession, others argue the economy might prosper in the long return, and nearly everyone, including a cranky public, thinks the republicans will get the claim. we'll have more next, with dana bash, it -- unless you have the right perspective. bny mellon wealth management has the vision and experience to look beyond the obvious. we'll uncover opportunities, find hidden risk, and make success a reality. bny mellon wealth management at the chevy year-end event because chevy's giving more. more efficiency with sonic and cruze... more function in equinox and traverse... more dependability with the legendary silverado... and more style in the all-new malibu. chevy's giving more at the year-end event because 'tis the season. chevy's giving more. this holiday season, get a 2013 cruze ls for around $169 per month or get $500 holid
most defense programs will be cut by about 10%. nondefense, discretionary spending, education, air travel safety, and food inspections would be cut about 8%. the cbo warns no deal could send the economy back into recession, others argue the economy might prosper in the long return, and nearly everyone, including a cranky public, thinks the republicans will get the claim. we'll have more next, with dana bash, it -- unless you have the right perspective. bny mellon wealth management has the...
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case, very bold statement there, to someone whose company will be decimated by the spending cuts to defense companies. you do not want to miss this confrontation. ricans are alwayso work hard for a better future. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the heart of a one-to-one relationship. together for your future. ♪ >>> pretty clear apple stock is having its worst week in more than two years. let's get to bertha coombs with the details. >> tough end of the week ear. it's apple's horrible, awful week. today's decline saw shares hit a real technical weak point, the so-called death cross. that's where the 50-day moving average, the top line in yellow, crossed below the orange line. that's the 200-day moving average. according to the spoke investment group, the last time that happened in september 2008, shares didn't bottom until januar
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his name is michael farris with the home school legal defense association. one of the groups that lobbied hard against this treaty. here's what he said in a radio interview for the american family association. >> the definition of disability is not defined in the treaty, and so my kid wears glasses. now they're disabled. now the u.n. gets control over them. >> the idea that the treaty would give the u.n. vast control over the american children's lives and take away kids with glasses from their parents is just factually incorrect. it's just not true. in july, testifying before the foreign relations committee, former u.s. attorney general dick thornburgh pointed out that kind of stuff is just not true and wouldn't have an impact on u.s. law. mr. thornburgh is a republican. he's also the father of a disabled son. he joins me now. mr. attorney general, i appreciate you being here. the crux of the senator's argument really seems to be just because u.s. law hasn't ever been affected by u.n. treaty doesn't mean it couldn't happen some day. he says under article 6 o
his name is michael farris with the home school legal defense association. one of the groups that lobbied hard against this treaty. here's what he said in a radio interview for the american family association. >> the definition of disability is not defined in the treaty, and so my kid wears glasses. now they're disabled. now the u.n. gets control over them. >> the idea that the treaty would give the u.n. vast control over the american children's lives and take away kids with glasses...
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supreme court today announced it will take up two gay marriage cases prop 8 out of california and the defense of marriage act case out of new york. the court could hear the cases as early as march. okay. two big issues here. let's start first with -- i think we will start with the gay marriage issue first and then we will go to the pot question. steve, how do you think it's going to play out the doma case prop 8 case how two different cases how do you think doma case. >> doma case involves whether someone who had lived with domestic partner for 45 years should have to pay estate taxes where if they lived as husband and wife she would not have to pay estate taxes and prop 8 involves whether or not gay marriage is simply legal. i think what we are seeing here they only need four justices to decide whether to take the issue. i think there is a little bit of politics there because if obama appoints more justices, they are not going to have to get the issue before the court. i think expect that the court going to say that gay marriage is legal just as they said you couldn't ban racially mixed raci
supreme court today announced it will take up two gay marriage cases prop 8 out of california and the defense of marriage act case out of new york. the court could hear the cases as early as march. okay. two big issues here. let's start first with -- i think we will start with the gay marriage issue first and then we will go to the pot question. steve, how do you think it's going to play out the doma case prop 8 case how two different cases how do you think doma case. >> doma case...
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it's awfully hard to -- for her to mount a defense. >> hi, andrea. those of us who are also admirers of john kerry have a complex position, but i think they're goet both amazing american patriots and have done a great deal of good for the country. either one would be excellent. i guess the specific thing i would contribute today on this topic is to object to the argument that was made in the "new york times" op ed page this morning by an activist who suggested that susan rice has been too friendly to various african strongmen, and the op ed did not resonate very well with me at first, but i went in and did some more research to go through the les of the people that this author listed as people that rice had supported too much, and they happen to have run five of the dozen or 15 best countries in africa over the last decade in terms of their economic performance, and their internal stability. it doesn't mean that everything is perfect, obviously, and i'm sure ambassador rice wouldn't suggest that everything is perfect in countries like uganda, and rwa
it's awfully hard to -- for her to mount a defense. >> hi, andrea. those of us who are also admirers of john kerry have a complex position, but i think they're goet both amazing american patriots and have done a great deal of good for the country. either one would be excellent. i guess the specific thing i would contribute today on this topic is to object to the argument that was made in the "new york times" op ed page this morning by an activist who suggested that susan rice...
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they make up the federal defense of marriage act which bars benefits to same-sex couples. a ruling would come before the term ends in june if the justices refuse to hear the case lower court decision declaring the ban unconstitutional would stand allowing same-sex weddings to resume within days. the justices could put off a decision until friday. >>> san francisco elementary school reopens after being closed due to a viral outbreak. the campus had to be sanitized over the weekend after 150 stayed home friday due to an outbreak of gastroenteritis. school is expected to go on as usual this morning. parents are urged to keep children at home if they show any symptoms of the virus that includes, cramps, nausea or low-grade fever. >>> time for a look at the forecast. >>> rain is over, 5:37 this morning, look at live doppler, 7 hd picking up dry air, fog is forming now, visibility less than a quarter of a mile in no watch out up and down 101 this morning this corridor is where we are seeing some of be most russ over the morning commute. -- most treacherous over the morning commu
they make up the federal defense of marriage act which bars benefits to same-sex couples. a ruling would come before the term ends in june if the justices refuse to hear the case lower court decision declaring the ban unconstitutional would stand allowing same-sex weddings to resume within days. the justices could put off a decision until friday. >>> san francisco elementary school reopens after being closed due to a viral outbreak. the campus had to be sanitized over the weekend after...
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george takei was on the show last night, and he was offering his defense of marriage equality. let's take a listen to that. >> the core value of marriage is two people who love each other and who are committed to each other. you want security for your spouse, whatever may happen. and our laws do not provide that. in the case of homophobia, we are literally members of the family. we are sons and daughters of heterosexual parents. we are brothers and sisters. we are literally kin, blood kin. and yet we deny the lgbt member of the family the same legal protections and rights that they enjoy. it's irrational. >> steve, we -- you know, this has been called a guy rights issue, but really, it is a civil rights issue. and when you hear an argument, an eloquent argument like that from george takei, it underscores the fact that this is an irrational argument, and it's almost sort of an inevitable, it's the inevitable course for the united states. i wonder what you make of house republicans who have tried to stand in the way of marriage equality. do they have a platform to stand on if the
george takei was on the show last night, and he was offering his defense of marriage equality. let's take a listen to that. >> the core value of marriage is two people who love each other and who are committed to each other. you want security for your spouse, whatever may happen. and our laws do not provide that. in the case of homophobia, we are literally members of the family. we are sons and daughters of heterosexual parents. we are brothers and sisters. we are literally kin, blood...
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the defense of marriage act was challenged by edie windsor from new york. she had a partner for over 40 years. they were married in 2007 in canada, a new york recognized their marriage when miss windsor's partner, her spouse died. her spouse left her entire estate to edie windsor. because of the defense of marriage act edie windsor was left with almost a 400,000 dollar federal estate tax that someone who was the spouse of an opposite sex coup weill not have had to pay. so their defense of marriage act can being challenged as violating the equal protection guarantee in the fifth amendment. >> warner: and how sweeping, if the ruling were in favor of edie windsor, how widely would that apply nationwide? >> well, the challenge here to doma really is that only this provision in doma is unconstitutional as applied to legally married same-sex couples. the argument is that that provision discriminates against them by treating them differently from legally married opposite sex couple its. so if the court found in favor of edie windsor as the lower federal appellate
the defense of marriage act was challenged by edie windsor from new york. she had a partner for over 40 years. they were married in 2007 in canada, a new york recognized their marriage when miss windsor's partner, her spouse died. her spouse left her entire estate to edie windsor. because of the defense of marriage act edie windsor was left with almost a 400,000 dollar federal estate tax that someone who was the spouse of an opposite sex coup weill not have had to pay. so their defense of...
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the first seeks to strike down the federal government's defense of marriage act, known as doma. the second involves a challenge to california's proposition 8, a voter-approved ballot initiative that outlawed same-sex marriage. a federal appeals court struck down the law earlier this year. the court's decision to weigh in on marriage equality came as same-sex couples began marrying in washington state yesterday. on election day voters there and in maryland and in maine made history when they became the first states to approve same-sex marriage at the ballot box. joining us now to discuss is steve, chair of the gay and lesbian victory fund. great to have you. >> nice to be here, alex. s. >> so a lot of tea leaf read and arm chair prognostication around this. i am by no means a supreme court expert, but when i saw that they were taking up both doma and prop 8, question as to whether they would take up inform i them at all, it seemed to me a signal that the court was ready to make a big decision, and i just cannot imagine, especially when you have conservatives like john roberts, wh
the first seeks to strike down the federal government's defense of marriage act, known as doma. the second involves a challenge to california's proposition 8, a voter-approved ballot initiative that outlawed same-sex marriage. a federal appeals court struck down the law earlier this year. the court's decision to weigh in on marriage equality came as same-sex couples began marrying in washington state yesterday. on election day voters there and in maryland and in maine made history when they...
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. >> caller: the comment about the defense of marriage act. you don't have to have a degree in political science to see that if you just read the constitution, it is clearly a constitutional -- amendment. driver's license is good in one state, it should be good in another state. it should apply to marriage certificates. defense of marriage act is a crazy point. >> stephanie: we got your point but we missed every other word. >> listener milt would like to say regarding the bible caller, mark stops at chapter 16 so he's not sure what mark 20-25 means. >> stephanie: you mean he mae have misspoke? >> he may have misspoke. >> stephanie: jesus meant the gays. that's what he meant. >> in mark -- >> mark 140-270. he says -- [ laughter ] >> stephanie: you have a bigger bible. we would have known that right away. all right. whatever. >> i have read the bible. i haven't memorized what chapters there are and stuff like that. >> stephanie: charles in tennessee. hello, charles. hello, charles! i tried. it doesn't go. okay. let's go to debbie in illinois. yo
. >> caller: the comment about the defense of marriage act. you don't have to have a degree in political science to see that if you just read the constitution, it is clearly a constitutional -- amendment. driver's license is good in one state, it should be good in another state. it should apply to marriage certificates. defense of marriage act is a crazy point. >> stephanie: we got your point but we missed every other word. >> listener milt would like to say regarding the...
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it could be a much narrower case about the defensive marriage act, it could be limited to considering whether couples in states where same-sex is legal and eligible for benefits and not a sweeping decision. the other parameter, of course, proposition 8 and a specific league question and referendum aboli abolished. a lot for them potentially to consider and the timetable up to them, ashleigh. >> very complex for people that don't follow courts on a regular basis to sort this out and i mentioned right off the top no fewer than ten cases that the justices could take up. >> yes. >> when you talk about the two areas, one of them as some court watchers say is dipping your toe in with the defensive marriage act and one way the supreme court could start the process of getting in to the cultural debate. the other one is prop 8 and two ways to go effect ily with prop 8. take up the case or don't cake up the case. what happens if they just don't take up the case? >> well, then same-sex marriage essentially becomes law in california and it was about the referendum. most court watchers would say d
it could be a much narrower case about the defensive marriage act, it could be limited to considering whether couples in states where same-sex is legal and eligible for benefits and not a sweeping decision. the other parameter, of course, proposition 8 and a specific league question and referendum aboli abolished. a lot for them potentially to consider and the timetable up to them, ashleigh. >> very complex for people that don't follow courts on a regular basis to sort this out and i...
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as we talk about these two cases in question, we've got doma, the defense of marriage act as well as proposition 8 to consider. if we first talk about doma, if it is struck down, what does that mean nationally? >> well, it means only that if you live in a state that permits same-sex marriage and you are in a same-sex marriage, that the federal government will recognize your marriage. doma does not require states to do anything. it doesn't require anybody to do anything. but right now it prevents the federal government from granting recognition to same-sex marriages like, for instance, in new york. if that is struck down, the people who are married in states that allow it will get full federal recognition. >> which is over more than 1,000 federal benefits that go along with that. >> it's very important. it would be very significant. >> jonathan, we talk about prop 8 in california. if that is struck down, does that mean marriage equality then for all intents and purposes is legal in all states? does what happens in california then change the relevance for 49 other states? >> well, this
as we talk about these two cases in question, we've got doma, the defense of marriage act as well as proposition 8 to consider. if we first talk about doma, if it is struck down, what does that mean nationally? >> well, it means only that if you live in a state that permits same-sex marriage and you are in a same-sex marriage, that the federal government will recognize your marriage. doma does not require states to do anything. it doesn't require anybody to do anything. but right now it...
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is the defense of marriage case or dome that case. specifically looking at part of the law that gives federal benefits such as tax breaks to heterosexual married couples, not to same-sex married couples. is that equal under the equal protection clause under the constitution. and the other case hollings worth vs. perry the california case. california voters approved a gay marriage ban after the state supreme court ruled that gay marriage is legal. so which one trumps the other? we don't know if the court will hear these cases separately or together, shep. >> shepard: we are hearing strong reaction really from both sides of this. >> particularly over the doma case. gay marriage advocates who want the defense of marriage act struck down say doma creates a gay-only exception to federal recognition of state licensed marriages. and we believe that the federal government should stop discriminating against same sex couples legally married by their states. but defender of traditional marriage between one man and one woman say, quote: since pre
is the defense of marriage case or dome that case. specifically looking at part of the law that gives federal benefits such as tax breaks to heterosexual married couples, not to same-sex married couples. is that equal under the equal protection clause under the constitution. and the other case hollings worth vs. perry the california case. california voters approved a gay marriage ban after the state supreme court ruled that gay marriage is legal. so which one trumps the other? we don't know if...
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does he really want to take all those cuts in domestic and defense spending? aren't there some things he really thinks will hurt the economy over which he's the steward right now? does he want a second depression? no. a second recession. >> it will hurt the economy. i agree entirely. i think the short-term pressure is much more on john boehner, that he has -- if we go to the first of the year and taxes have gone up on everybody, i think that people will largely blame the republicans for that, as think should. having said that though, the longer this goes on, the more likely it is that it puts the economy in a second recession, and heaven knows that's the last thing that obama wants. so the pressure on obama may not be immediate, but it is there. let's remember, by the way, chris, i think it's always important to remind people, your viewers, what we're talking about here. if we all end up diving off this fiscal cliff, it doesn't make the deficit worse. it makes the deficit better. it would go a long way toward curing the deficit, but the deficit isn't the immed
does he really want to take all those cuts in domestic and defense spending? aren't there some things he really thinks will hurt the economy over which he's the steward right now? does he want a second depression? no. a second recession. >> it will hurt the economy. i agree entirely. i think the short-term pressure is much more on john boehner, that he has -- if we go to the first of the year and taxes have gone up on everybody, i think that people will largely blame the republicans for...